South Dakota Governor Signs Bill to Ban Abortion

[Rigor Mortis]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/02/22/AR2006022202424.html

You all already know what I'd say to this. I'm a retired admin but I'll delete any idiotic, immature, and insensitive comments.

If you're going to reply take it seriously unless you want to be banned.

[Choppy]

*sigh*

No abortions except to save the pregnant womans life.

Must suck to be raped and have some strangers kid just because of that...

Last year, South Dakota passed five laws to restrict abortions, including one that would compel doctors to tell women that they would be ending the life of a "whole, separate, unique human being."

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[Rigor Mortis]

People are seriously corrupt. ^--Regarding quote

Cases of rape and incest included. Ridiculous if you ask me.

It's really a better idea to leave this decision to doctors and the actual woman. Not some politician with no experience in that field.

There are many anti-choice clinics that have misled women to sway them from their decision. One time one of the nurses showed a girl who was about 1 week pregnant, a sonogram of a 7 month old NOT belonging to her.

I already voiced my thoughts on this in an annoying debate from a while back. I won't say much unless provoked.

[MasterBeef]

I feel sorry for the people of SD, espeically the teens, I'm also worried about Washington too, back then, if a young couple were to get pregnant and needed an abortion, there was a clinic where you can get an abortion without notifying your parents or anything, but I think a year or 2 ago, they stopped, why is it so bad to get an abortion, sure its "Destorying a precious life" or something that a ---- or a hippie would say, if she was diagnosed as pregnant for a week, the egg probly isn't even a life yet, so why is it bad to kill a egg? everyone kills chicken eggs, why not make chicken egg eating illegal? thats just plain messed up,and i agree with u guys, what if it was a rape situation? have the child of the retard that raped the girl? if she was rape or something, that baby SHOULD be aborted, cause the baby might be like the son of a bitchof a father the rapist is, and I think it should be the doctor and woman's choice, why is everything always about stopping such important stuff and keeping all the retarted stuff? is it me or is society getting more phucked up every month? this is just too much for me, I need to cool my jets...

[Rigor Mortis]

No it's not just you. I think society gets worse and worse because of fanatics and zealots who prefer to use theology over science and FACTs. These types of people will stop at nothing to get what they want. Be it bombing clinics, medical malpractice, misleading, KIDNAPPING, etc.

If THAT is supposed to be respect for life then I really don't know what to say.

If I want to share an intimiate moment with someone, I want to damn well be able to do it with the option of the last resort if something goes wrong. Fact is condoms and other contraceptions CAN fail too, as effective as they are.

I said I wouldn't say much but I'll be pretty ticked if CA made it illegal...

I doubt the kid will automatically be as bad as the father but they may as welll make incest legal if it's supposedly okay to force a girl to bear her father's kid.

[Choppy]

That means you cant have one night stands In SD any more...

You can only have sex if your ready to bare a child...

[Rigor Mortis]

They can always leave the state just to have one. Though having to do that is really unnecessary. I think SD only had one Clinic for it anyway.

[Tor]

I don't know if you guys know this. Now a days they have medicine which is 100% proven to not get your pregnant as long as you take it 3-5 days after the rape. However, they probably have medicine now that goes beyond those numbers.

It's just the choice of the women to get that medicine. However because of post-traumatic drama, the victim probably won't come out with being rape.

I'm pro choice...to a certain a time period. I'm sure everyone is like that as well. Pro choice to a certain time period. Like it's okay 1 month...but after that...maybe it's not...Iono.

[Rigor Mortis]

Did you know that there are some laws signed in by these extremist to even put a stop to the Pill? Just because it's against a pharmacist's conscious, they've been denied to a woman.

That's just wrong. These people are even trying to ban all contraception as well and some are crazy enough to try and make masturbation illegal.

[Tor]

didn't know that, but damn, that's stupid. It's like that one thread we talked about, peeps from across the state, came to my state to try to stop a gay after school club...etremists, who i think are 1 sided to everything. Closed minded, and don't want to take in any type of external knowledge.

[genious]

I think abortion should be only between the woman and the doctor. I dunno why they should but into people's business when they should worry about other things. ugh, i debated with some other guy about this the other day.

[Krazim]

I'm sorry, but I'm against abortion. I'm part of the Anti-Abortion group in my town, and it's just sad seeing unborn babies killed.

If you get raped and plan on aborting your child, that's murdering. You should at least let the child be born and ask the orphanage to take him/her.

For those who chose to have sex, get pregnant, and planning on having abortion, that's just crazy. For one thing, it's hurting themself because they're commiting murder to an unborn child. Second, why can't they just keep their legs close and think about the consequenses(sp?) about what they'll be receiving in the future.

[genious]

I'm sorry, but I'm against abortion. I'm part of the Anti-Abortion group in my town, and it's just sad seeing unborn babies killed.

If you get raped and plan on aborting your child, that's murdering. You should at least let the child be born and ask the orphanage to take him/her.

For those who chose to have sex, get pregnant, and planning on having abortion, that's just crazy. For one thing, it's hurting themself because they're commiting murder to an unborn child. Second, why can't they just keep their legs close and think about the consequenses(sp?) about what they'll be receiving in the future.

I'm not against abortion or anything. You're right, they're killing unborn babies, but it's their choice. Even if you get raped, have the baby, and ask the orphanage to take the kid. It's their choice. It's more of a personal choice actually. You're right, people need to keep their legs closed if they don't want to have a baby. They should just use their common sense. Well, you can always move to a different state if you want an abortion. i know i'm never going to have an abortion.

[Killalopez]

yeah, abortion is only good if you know that its the end of the world, and that women is about to give birth to the anti-crist...then id say kill it.

[Krazim]

I remember that when I was a little second grader, I used to have a babysitter who aborted her child. After she decided abortion, she would have strange dreams of her unborn son. I kept hearing the story from these two sisters who helped the babysitter around.

I wasn't sure what abortion was when I was little, but like once I was in fifth grade, there was an anti-abortion group and I decided to join. So yeah... I'm against abortion.

My cousin also had a choice if she wanted to have sex or not, but didn't have common sense. Her first baby was seven years ago when she was fifteen. @_@ She planned on having abortion until all the mothers kept persuading her that it was her choice and she has to live through the responsibility as a young mother. So yeah... the father also has to regret this for not supporting the mother of the child.

[genious]

yeah, abortion is only good if you know that its the end of the world, and that women is about to give birth to the anti-crist...then id say kill it.

What if the anti-christ won't let you kill it? Think of the woman, doing strange things during her pregancy. :shock: Well, you can always ask the orphanage.

[Rigor Mortis]

mur·der Pronunciation Key (mûrdr)
n.

1. The unlawful killing of one human by another, especially with premeditated malice.
2. Slang. Something that is very uncomfortable, difficult, or hazardous: The rush hour traffic is murder.
3. A flock of crows. See Synonyms at flock1.
If you look at the media, the culture and everywhere around you, what do you see? Sex, sex, sex. Drama, drama, and then some more sex. You have both men in women degrading women in popular music videos, the "sex sells" strategy often used in marketing, and always some nudity or a damn sex scene in almost every movie.

Is there anything in the media or popular TV shows that teach young people how to handle sex, be responsible about it, and the consequences? How many times in those teen TV shows, do they show a person holding back, having sex in marriage only, or the "ideal" reason for doing it? Nothing, nada, zip. They only show two sprung teenagers who don't give a damn about eachother enough to marry them, bonking.

Society and culture does that yet it also wants to punish a young women for the irresponsibility of society.

Not only that but all this hurts young men just as well by telling them that they must have a lot of sex, that they must lose their virginity as a passage to manhood, and that pregnancy choices are not their concern.

People can go ahead and callously assume something as simple as "keep your legs closed" or don't have sex unless you're "ready." It sounds simple but it isn't with the amount of abortions performed and all those people on Maury as evidence. There psychos who continue to have more sex even after fathering up to 10 kids from 10 different mothers.

I wish that women didn't have to make such a hard, and difficult choice just as much as everyone else here does. However I believe it's necessary to be kept legal. Unfortunately, this isn't a perfect world where everyone has common sense, remains a virgin until marriage, is well-educated about sex, and can afford to make an easy living.

Simply making something illegal doesn't solve the problem. If you think that people will start being responsible and that abortions will stop then think about this: Drugs are illegal but people still abuse them and there's a big underground market for it. Sex slavery is illegal but women are still sold, kidnapped, and imported to America to be put in brothels. Alcohol was once illegal but people still obtained it and Scarface created a legacy of crime. Child molestation is illegal but damn look at all those child predators prowling about and those monster priests that The Church tries to protect.

This is what I suggest to keep abortion rates down so a woman does not have to die for getting an illegal abortion: Sex education, a message to emphasize a man's responsibility in preventing unwanted pregnancy and his role as well, a more responsible media, better role models in the media, parents talking and teaching their kids about sex, and messages to emphasize that sex is not to be taken lightly, and kick a guy in the nuts if he still thinks he can have sex without any responsibility.

That way, no woman dying, no fetus dying, and no orphans who might never see the day where they'd have a family to call their own. Everybody is happy. =D

I hate that abortions have to happen but reality just makes it a necessity. Let me leave you guys with an photo before anyone wants to selishly spout out lies saying Illegal Abortions are a myth:

GRAPHIC. DO NOT CLICK IF YOU'RE SENSITIVE TO GRAPHIC IMAGES. (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/Inferno_Edge/back-alley-abortion.jpg)

I don't care how many of these happened. All I care for is that I don't ever want to lose important women in my life because of this.

Pregnancy is the most personal and private of things. If government gets control of that then I don't want to think about what else government will control.

Nothing against ya, Krazim. The "prolife" and "prochoice" should work together to try to limit the amount of abortions through education and resources without having to make anything illegal or hard on someone who is less fortunate. Speaking on religious terms, at least the souls of the fetuses will safely end up with God and protected from the harsh reality that some people experience on Earth.

[genious]

Look Rigor, I understand what you mean, but the picture is very disturbing. :shock:

[Krazim]

YES, IT'S VERY DISTURBING... My mom just walked in and was like, "WTF?!?!?!"

[Rigor Mortis]

I sorry but I don't care how disturbing it is. This is the mature section if nobody noticed. As disturbing as it may be I wanted to show what can happen if abortion was illegal. If you don't like what happened to that poor woman then please, PLEASE think of her and others, and try to understand the need for it if you won't necessarily support it.

People need to see the truth. You've all seen mutilated fetuses so now you get to see the other side of it. I feel like I disrespected the woman in that pic for even posting it but hey at least I'm not out there blowing up pictures of fetuses and displaying my beliefs around schools and other public places. I'm not using the dead as images to bring favor for my "agenda." I'm not going around, assuming all Christians are pro-life and yelling at them for it. I'm not bombing clinics either. I'm not giving unfair and nasty labels to people I don't even know.

There are certainly more respectful ways to show what you believe in. If it becomes Constitutional to force a woman to give birth and Constitutional to tell a woman she doesn't have the right to have sex other for procreation, then I'm going to fight for every woman out there in the courts with reasoning and FACTS like you're supposed to. Not theology or a set of beliefs (religion) not every American subscribes to.

How would any of you like having to describe what you did in your bedroom to a pro-life judge just to get an abortion? How would any of you like it if you risked having to get beat by abusive parents upon hearing the news? Pregnancy is surely not a blessing to everyone. Honestly a girl's reason is none of anyone's business. She should be able to have one (or not) without someone who won't be there to help her raise her kid, telling her what she is or what to do.

Think about the whole thing and don't just focus on one part of the issue.

I can very much post rape survivors from Sudan if you'd all like. I mean if people think that girls suffering from hell already should also have the burden of raising a child too. (I really won't but am just saying that to poke fun at people who love to use others suffering for their own gain)

Before everyone thinks I'm mad, like they always love to, I'm not. I always have long posts anyways and really hope NO woman has to die in S.Dakota for this. Excuse me if I actually do my own research and don't need influence from a group to form my own opinions.

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1:40 AM- I decided to lock this thread. It wasn't spammed, nobody was being rude, there was no flaming, but this discussion won't go anywhere. I really think it's too emotional to be left open. Since this IS an emotional topic I do NOT want to have to ban a new member for getting out of line.